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Offline [DE] Heinz Wildgrube

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2012, 09:34:27 PM »
Hello Nicolas,
Hello Clicking System Group,

This is also a good question.

In my eyes the clicking system consists of two parts.

The first element is the rectangle hole and the "linking-pins" which belongs to the common undercarriage. As this is a common part, no changes should be allowed.

The second element is the clicking system plate which is fixed to the individual upper part. As a consequence the clicking system plate belongs to the individual upper part and is therefor also supposed to be exchanged. In this case changes of the clicking system plate should be allowed - as far as the upper part fits properly to the rectangle hole and also to the "linking-pins" of the common undercarriage.

BTW:
Should we add some +/- tolerances to the rectangle hole and the correspondent part? What do you think?

Anyhow, let's wait for the answer of the Clicking System Group. I'm sure they will tell us soon ...

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« Last Edit: October 23, 2012, 12:50:28 PM by [DE] Heinz Wildgrube »

Offline [NL] Terence van Acquoij

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2012, 11:43:21 AM »
Hello Heinz,

We will order the linking pins of the clicking system for every country (1 Wagon) for St. Pölten.

In this case changes of the clicking system plate is allowed - as far as the upper part fits properly to the rectangle hole and also to the "linking-pins" of the common undercarriage. But you can only change the Thickness and wideness of the upperside of the system. Noting else. Otherwise it doesn't fit at the baseplate.

In The Netherlands we normally have 0.2 mm tolerances. But we forgot to put that into the drawings. we will change the drawings for that

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Offline [FR] Nicolas Prime

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2012, 05:18:28 PM »
It's now clear for me how the clicking system will work.
Thank you very much for those details.

Offline [NL] Marc van Erp

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2012, 12:45:32 PM »
hello people,

In this drawing you can see the tolerance of the drawings.
I was forget it sorry ;D.

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Marc van Erp
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Sorry heinz i was forget it ^^ see the attachment
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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2012, 12:56:10 PM »
i just had a quick look on those drawings but i can't find the depth of the holes ? so how deep do we have to drill?
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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2012, 01:46:42 PM »
Hello Marc,

Thanks for changing the drawing.

I had a look to it and saw that you've added a GENERAL minus tolerance of -0.2 mm for ALL the measurements now.

I think this is a bit strange, because in my eyes we only need minus tolerances for the outer rectangle shape.

So why don't you define the minus tolerance only for the 60 mm and 130 mm dimension of the relevant rectangle shape?

Any reason for this?

Please check and tell us ...

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Offline [FR] Nicolas Prime

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2012, 02:53:12 PM »
I also don't understand the tolerances !!
What does -0,2mm means ? Is it 0/-0,2mm ?
If you have a look at the drawing of the undercarriage baseplate the dimensions are 130 +0,1/-0,3 and 60 +0,1/-0,3. 
So in my opinion we will probably have troubles to assemble the clicking system on the baseplate.
Could you please explain to me ?

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2012, 06:00:24 PM »
Hello Marc,
Hello Common Undercarriage Group,
Hello Clicking System Group,

I agree with Nicolas.

In fact the tolerances of the baseplate drawing were added and published today in the new drawing you find within the newest common undercarrieage topics.

We will have in the clicking system plate a tolerance of 0/-0.2 and in the baseplate a tolerance of +0.1/-0.3 for the rectangle shape.

This constellation is critical and will not work in bad cases.

Please check, talk together and do the neccessary corrections.

Thanks a lot ...

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Offline [AT STP] Mike Fahrafellner

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2012, 11:18:02 AM »
Just a small question..wouldn´t it be nice if the clicking system covers the screws of the undercarriege?

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2012, 03:20:42 PM »
Hello Mike,

We've already disussed that point above (see reply #16).

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In this case changes of the clicking system plate is allowed - as far as the upper part fits properly to the rectangle hole and also to the "linking-pins" of the common undercarriage. But you can only change the Thickness and wideness of the upperside of the system. Noting else. Otherwise it doesn't fit at the baseplate.


So, if you would like to cover the screws, feel free to increase the dimension of the plate without changing the important rectangle shape.

Thanks a lot ...

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2012, 11:14:35 AM »
Hello guys,

Can you please modificate your clicking system according the measurements of our final baseplate.

The rectangle part have to match into the groundplate, but the space between the rectangle part and the axle mounting should be tight enough, maybe 4mm up to 6mm, for the ball pins, that it works.

Can you please give me the final drawing with the right measurements from the rectangle part and according your messurements of our final baseplate.

Thanks a lot for your efforts.

kind regards

Christian Trinkler

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #26 on: November 17, 2012, 10:36:19 PM »
Hello Christian,

Thanks for posting your message.

As far as I can read you would like to point out a mistake, which could be important for assembling the undercarriage. Right?

But, to tell you the truth, I do not understand anything!

So, could you please explain to us exactly:

Where is the problem?
What's wrong?
What should we do?
Why should we do this?

Your answer would be helpful to understand your doubts.
At the moment I think nobody understand the problem and so nobody is able to discuss.

Maybe you would like to explain the problem you see by showing us the details by using a technical drawing?

Thanks a lot!

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Offline [NL] Marc van Erp

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Re: New clicking system drawing.
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2013, 11:06:49 AM »
Hello everyone,

The updated drawing of the clicking sytem.
Now you can see how to drill the hole for the linking-pins.

If there are questions about the place of the antenna you have to ask it in the control system group not in this topic.

I hope its clear now

Regards,

Marc van Erp
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